“…U.S. dropped its largest non-nuclear weapon after targeting ISIS in Afghanistan. The GBU-43 bomb weighs 21,600 pounds, is 30 feet long, contains 11 tons of explosives and carries a mile-wide blast radius. It can create a blast crater more than 300 meters wide after being dropped from a Hercules MC-130 cargo plane. Trump pledged in 2015 that if he became president he would 'bomb the s**t out of ’ ISIS…”
See, this is what I’ve been saying all along. Even better still: let’s give the oxygen wasting filth some tactical nukes! We’re going to cross that rubicon soon enough in North Korea, it seems to me, so we might as well do the dirty deed!
Out in the desert, well clear of civilians, these militants are asking, begging and pleading for it, IMO.
There’s another advantage to nuking ISIS - it’d help to convince Kim the cheese scoffer that we mean some real business! Maybe he’d save his chubby a** by agreeing to give up his nukes and live under some kind of Chinese protection?
Maybe we can toast the Jihadist filth in the Middle East and avert war in Korea? It wouldn’t be bad.
But then again, he might just go completely postal and do an all out attack on South Korea and/or Japan? (If this were a film instead of real, it’d actually be quite interesting to see the next twist!)
Prince of Pot, are you friends with John McCain or Hillary Clinton? You seem to like war a lot.
I’d let ISIS alone if I were calling the shots. It seems to be this never ending spiral of “We bomb them. They let out some terrorist in Europe. We bomb there more. More terrorism.” I’m sure some regimes in Africa are just as inhumane and yet no one cares.
North Korea is different because no one knows how serious Kim or Trump are. I’m surprised that Russia does not even seem to be worried about their neighbour Kim since historically speaking, North Korean Supreme Leaders don’t ever take the plane and travel by train either to Beijing or Moscow on diplomatic missions. I’ve listened to about 3 programs of Russians’ experiences in PyongYang and they have an embassy there and everything. Sad!
No, I don’t like war. On the contrary, I think it should be avoided wherever possible! For example, the idea of stumbling towards some kind of dumb-ass showdown with Russia over Syria is utter and complete madness, IMO.
ISIS are different. Everything I’ve seen of these animals leads me to think they are below the level of stinking scum in the lowest and most rancid sewer! We have to destroy them at all costs - if for no other reason, then just purely in the name of civilisation.
Kim the young one? Well, if he were a “normal” tinpot dictator (i.e. basically rational) one could even live with him having nuclear weapons and an intercontinental delivery system. But, as far as I can see, that fruitcake would be an authentic real-deal threat to you, me and our way of life if he developed the ability to nuke us. We just can’t have that.
In a way, we find ourselves in a screwed up cry-wolf situation here. because we were lied to about WMDs in Iraq, many people are now closing their eyes to a genuine potential threat, IMO.
Saddam was a really seriously nasty piece of work - but he didn’t ever have the means to deliver WMDs against the West, and it was unthinkable that he would do so anyway. This Kim bastard is different. Anyone who would have his own uncle shot and his own brother poisoned for no particular reason is a paranoid and unpredictable psychopath, in my opinion. He needs to die.
“Saddam was a really seriously nasty piece of work”
If you compare him with other third world leaders he was really normal. I wouldn’t have a beer with him but you know. As Steve would say, I’m just sayin’.
Agree to disagree on ISIS. I understand your point, but I really could care less about people cutting other people’s head off in a desert. I know it goes on in most part of the world but the focus is on them because it sells. The fact that CNN and FOX News are rated on the same criteria as The Big Bang Theory is part of the problem.
The more they talk about ISIS the more they help promote their message because let’s say that 99% of people are disgusted by them and some retard will want to join them. Completely shutting them out from our media would probably stop a good bunch of “mercenaries” from joining forces with these animals.
Regarding Kim I’m not sure. It definitely would be a tragedy for Japan or South Korea to get hit by him, but don’t you think that giving nuclear weapons to South Korea and Japan could calm Kim down? It make for an interesting neighbourhood: Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Japan and South Korea all having second strike nuclear capacity.
I guess the Philippines and Papua New Guinea would try getting one after
Prinz is a bit crazy about muslims and the middle east when it comes to war. Nuking Isis’ strongholds in Raqqa or Mosul would literally kill millions of civilians and ruin any chance of habitable recovery for those cities. It’s absolute insanity that Prinz is suggesting it, but he seems to have no regard for civilian life when they are muslim. Especially if they are Palestinians.
Drone strikes have gone up by over 400% since trump took office, as he has given the military carte blanche to bomb indiscriminately in the region and it has taken all but a few months to march past the total death toll of Obamas 2 terms in office of drone strikes.
But it doesn’t matter… because they are muslim, right?
Bombing enemies is easy. But what are you going to do after that?
How can you bring about political stability after killing a lot of peopl?
Endless war against “terrorism” might be the result; this is what has been happening in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Many armchair strategists often don’t understand the unexpected consequences of their tactics.
Don’t the families of those Syrian fighters “feel” that they are entitled to retaliate by adopting some “extreme” measures on the foreign forces in Syria?
With all due respect to Prinz_Brexiteer, I don’t think we should have dropped the bomb for these reasons:
From the footage, we can see that the bomb was dropped on a verdant field or forest. Innocent insects, worms, birds, snakes, rabbits, wild goats…may have been killed or injured.
The sound of the bomb scared every living being who heard it.
ISIS is acclimated to shock and awe. As a result of this bomb drop, more men will join ISIS than were killed. And rightfully so. If someone dropped a bomb like that on Dartmoor National Park, wouldn’t Englishmen, in large numbers, sign up to fight?
I believe ISIS is composed of heartless, violent, patriarchal men. And they have to be stopped, if not erased, the sooner, the better.
But we should have just raided the tunnels. American lives might have been lost in close quarter combat. That’s the price of being a conscious human being. The environment always has to be spared.
I think this was more about Donald Trump’s small hands releasing his pent up tension than a carefully, thought out plan to delete ISIS.
“Prinz is a bit crazy about muslims and the middle east when it comes to war.”
Oh I see. The usual unthinking “you hate Muslims” card. We’ve had that before, but I thought you were more sophisticated. Ho hum.
“…Nuking Isis’ strongholds in Raqqa or Mosul would literally kill millions of civilians and ruin any chance of habitable recovery for those cities…”
Maybe that’s where the bit in my OP about “…militants…” “…out in the desert, well clear of civilians…” comes in?
EDIT: I’ve also always been clear that I’m talking about “tactical nuclear weapons” Tactical nuclear weapon - Wikipedia as opposed to the strategic city-melting variety.
“…It’s absolute insanity that Prinz is suggesting it, but he seems to have no regard for civilian life when they are muslim. Especially if they are Palestinians…”
Strawman already burned.
(But I kind of resent attempts to put words in my mouth.)
“…If you compare (Saddam) with other third world leaders he was really normal. I wouldn’t have a beer with him but you know. As Steve would say, I’m just sayin’…”
He started a massive war of aggression against Iran back in the early 80s. He repeatedly used chemical weapons against them - though they never retaliated in kind. He used chemical weapons against civilians. He was one brutal son-of-a-bitch. But (unlike ISIS) he was only ever a threat within his own part of the world.
“…Agree to disagree on ISIS. I understand your point, but I really could care less about people cutting other people’s head off in a desert…”
I’d agree if we were talking about bunches of extremist thugs fighting between themselves in some desert. But they are aggressively expansionist, IMO. And if they had some kind of crude suitcase-nuke or sarin-device, does anyone doubt they would set it off in a Western capital city?
Ahh ok. So the idea is to use tactical nukes… not the ones that hurt regular people… and launch it into the middle of the Syrian desert where nobody is… to scare off the group of people that are so hellbent on martyrdom that they use suicide bombs against us???
"…1) From the footage, we can see that the bomb was dropped on a verdant field or forest. Innocent insects, worms, birds, snakes, rabbits, wild goats…may have been killed or injured.
The sound of the bomb scared every living being who heard it.
ISIS is acclimated to shock and awe. As a result of this bomb drop, more men will join ISIS than were killed. And rightfully so. If someone dropped a bomb like that on Dartmoor National Park, wouldn’t Englishmen, in large numbers, sign up to fight?.."
(1) and (2) are, with respect, not serious arguments! (3) is a fair point - there is a danger bombing could act as “recruitment sergeant” for the enemy. But equally, ISIS have been using mercenaries from out of theatre, some of whom could actually be deterred…just maybe? Generally, I think the ISIS-horse has already bolted, so doing nothing and allowing them to take over huge swathes of the Islamic world just doesn’t seem to be an option.
“…I believe ISIS is composed of heartless, violent, patriarchal men. And they have to be stopped, if not erased, the sooner, the better…”
Right. If you’re a woman, a homosexual, a moderate Muslim, a Jew, a Christian, from some other minority faith (or an atheist, for that matter) these bearded loons are pretty much your worst nightmare - and then some!
“…I think this was more about Donald Trump’s small hands…”
It wasn’t Donald Trump who initiated this particular attack - that isn’t the way these things work.
It’d be nice to think that most US commanders on the ground don’t have small HANDS.
Yes… but for the millionth time, you could wipe out ISIS but the presence of regional instability and radical islamist ideology (thank you S.A.), means that another group of radicals will form. The idea that this problem goes away with ISIS is ridiculous. It is a long term problem that relies on both regional stability and reformation of Islamic religious norms in war torn countries… both of which will take time and smart diplomacy achieve.
George W. Bush, who I normally don’t go to for Iraq expertise, even said that we won’t see peace in Iraq within our lifetimes in an interview last year.
However I agree with you about Saddam. He took pleasure in torturing and killing whoever he pleased, and ran a government of pure terror. He was definitely one of the worst dictators out there.
“…It is a long term problem that relies on both regional stability…”
I agree with that.
“…and reformation of Islamic religious norms in war torn countries… both of which will take time and smart diplomacy achieve…”
Diplomacy may have been an option 15 or 20 years ago. Post Saddam, post Libya, post Assad(?) who are we going to talk to? ISIS (and similar extremists) don’t seem to me to be the kind of people with whom we can cut a deal.
As for Islamic reform, well, it seems to me that the kind of militant extremism we are now seeing is a relatively recent phenomenon. The Muslims who emigrated to Britain in the 1950s and 60s, for example, were almost uniformly peaceful and moderate people. It is still the case that the vast majority of them are, of course. But there is now a radical minority out there. I’m not even convinced that, in the most fundamental sense, it has to do with Islam. As far as ISIS is concerned, one could argue that it is a form of Fascism with Islam bolted on to it, I think.
