Wrong word counts Basic korean patterns part 1

I gained 7 known words from completing the first lesson of the basic Korean patterns series.

Did you mark more than 7 words as known? I counted the total words in the lesson and they appear to match the info.

Hijacking your thread a bit: In part two there is a non-standard spelled word on the first page:
난 지금 설겆이를 하고 있어요 → 난 지금 설거지를 하고 있어요


I looked at my vocab I only have 7 actual known words but my number says 21 I don’t really care this happens every time I do beginner lessons in a new language. Zoran just said to post whenever word counts were funny it could be a bunch of other problems like switching between mobile/computer, bad wifi, or a bunch of other things.

Did you create the basic Korean patterns course or how did you know about mis-spelling?

Also if you don’t mind could I ask you a few questions about TOPIK? I saw your bio message and I assume you know quite a bit about it.

Oh i see, hopefully Zoran can fix it. I have a similar difference (26 words) in my word count. No idea where that happened though…

I just checked out the course and two of the lessons had unknown words in them, that’s when I saw the word.

Actually, I don’t know that much about it, I have never taken it. I tried the reading part of a previous exam a few months ago and thought it would be fun to try it for real. Feel free to ask if you want though and I’ll do my best to answer. Otherwise there probably is at least someone here on the board with topik experience.

@ Hagowingchun Can you post a link to that lesson/course please? I’ll take a look. Thanks!

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course: Beginner Korean patterns

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Are there 6 levels of topik still? Also do you know what CEFR levels correspond to each level of it and do you believe it does a good job of assessing Korean language level?

This site has a bunch of the old TOPIK tests available for download: All About TOPIK Test - The Complete Guide | TOPIK GUIDE - The Complete Guide to TOPIK Test

If you check it out you an see the TOPIK 1 (levels 1-2) (beginner) and the TOPIK 2 (Levels 3-6). There are still 6 levels.

I haven’t much experience with the test, but I’ll have to do some preparation for it at some point because I’ll need to clear 6. From looking through the exam and checking out the audio clips, it seems like an outdated type of thing, and of course the open responses are about things like environment . . . there is NO SPEAKING COMPONENT AT ALL! So again, you can pass the exam to a high degree without much trouble if you can read really well and write really well. I believe it’s out of 300 and a 230 would be a level 6. It only does listening, writing and reading, and each category is contains 100 points. I remember reading a reddit post that someone got a 270 with near perfects on reading and listening and 70+ on writing. That author said that he/she did no writing practice outside of talking to friends via text messages.

No idea how it corresponds to CEFR though. I’m not familiar with any of the evaluation systems to be honest, but I don’t think any of them can do a fantastic job judging your language skills just to due how few words you can actually put into a test format. It’s never bad to have formal certificates of your language level though, so may as well take advantage of it to judge your own progress using some else’s system. Could be helpful or provide a curriculum guide for you if you’re having trouble setting goals

@imeowi Thanks for the information. Idk these language levels are kind of similar to levels in a video game it just makes things more fun i guess. Also, thanks again for answering all my Korean questions!

I’m not sure how CEFR tests works. My sense is that the tests would have to be more thorough to be able to see if you are C1 or C2. The test might be an okay way to measure progress for beginners and intermediate learners. I think I will pass level 6 next year based on the test I did. But there is no way I am C2, at best low C1. I read a lot of comments on reddit before about how difficult level 6 was. Like iMeoWi mentioned however, listening and reading will take you far on these tests. For level 6, my thinking right now is that if you read a decent amount (between 1 and 2 million words probably), do lots of listening, and some SRS (if you like doing that…), that should be enough.

That’s interesting you say that some guy on Reddit as mention by iMeoWi passed Topik 6 after 4 years so would that mean he is low C1 after 4 years? I didn’t even think that was possible in such a hard language like Korean.

It took him 4 years to pass level 6? Well, if he put a lot of effort into it that sounds reasonable to me. But, while I think most C1s would pass topik 6. I don’t think passing topik 6 necessarily means you are at the C1 level. I guess it could be possible to achieve C1 in 4 years. If you can spend multiple hours a day over an extended period of time, perhaps it would be enough.

Yeah the dude/women on the post said they were obsessed for 4 years literally all they did it even took priority over work etc. Also someone on the forum said that dialects Busan, island dialect are like another language is this an exaggeration? Idk enough to even analyze the difference between dialects. Also do younger people talk in a way that is that different from collaquial english? also any comparisons to english would be great like Jeju to carribean talk or something like that idk. Thanks again for the Korean mentor ship

I don’t know about the islands but the dialect spoken in Busan is not considered to be a separate language. Probably hyperbolic. On Jeju however, some speak what is now considered a separate language. It is unfortunately endangered these days. It is difficult to understand for native speakers of (standard) Korean as far as I know. Example: 4.3에 대해 잘 아는 사람은 이제 다 죽고 없단다 (ft.제주도 사투리) | 씨리얼 사회탐구 - YouTube

I’m afraid I don’t know much about the English spoken in the Caribbean.

Not sure I understand your question about the comparison to colloquial English. Maybe you can clarify that one? Perhaps give an example.

It’s ok you answered the part about the dialects etc. Btw very impressive you can watch that video its like all Korean lol. But the colloquial you can ignore it was just to add some examples to your explanation but you already did that thanks again for the help! Also do you live in Korea or what was the inspiration to learn such a hard language?

For some reason, I can’t respond to the other comment, but I’ve actually asked a couple Koreans about the Jeju language, and they say that they can’t really understand much, just a word here and there. There are a lot of different accents/dialects that are pretty easily understood all Koreans. Of the mutually intelligible accents/dialects, the Busan one just has the most noticable difference, so you’ll definitely notice it. It in fact has a pitch accent, and kind of has this funny rising and falling like Japanese, which I don’t know well, but it has a similar feel. The Seoul Korean has no pitch accent and is very flat and monotonous. Many of the provinces have their own accent, or 사투리. My conversation partners have also told me some funny things like many people that didn’t grow up in 경기도/서울 don’t pronounce 의 the same way, and generally only get 으. There is a series called 응답하라 in which a few dialects are used, but I believe it’s predominantly 경상도 (부산). It also depends on which year you watch. 1994, 1997, 1988 are a few in the series. You will also see plenty of people appear in talk shows, and while they try to hide their accent sometimes, it often pokes through. You should check out the accents though, they’re fun to hear :smiley:

Also keep in mind that all people living in the modern country of ROK will be educated and required to write using standard language. I also have never heard it, but there is also a small province in China that has many Korean speakers, and I don’t know much about it, but it could also be fun to check out! I think it’s Jinlin province? Best to look into a real source though

haha will check it out thanks for the information. When you say pitch accent there is like 4 types of pitch patterns in Japanese at least I think. Does Busan use all our just kind of wishy washy up and down intonation? IDK I find listening the hardest thing to do in a foreign language is Korean a particularly hard language to listen to for any reasons that you know of any examples would be great. Also I never asked you why you learned Korean @IMeoWi also how long have you studied Korean?

I honestly don’t know much about pitch and tone, but it is different from the Japanese pitch accents just because it’s a different language. To me, it sounds like it going between the same high and low, but sometimes there are multiple highs in a row.

I don’t know if Korean sounds would be more difficult for English speakers to hear or not, but every langauge has a few sounds that are pretty foreign to speakers of other languages. You really just need to listen a lot! I think finding some music that you like is helpful because I don’t believe most people want to hear mini stories, podcasts, and other audio material ALL the time.

I guess that I started learning in October 2016 when I started living there for a year, but I don’t think I started really making progress until about April 2018, when I had already been back in the states again for about 8 months :stuck_out_tongue: I just didn’t have a good way of reading/listening, and I didn’t realize how much better it is to get in reading/listening vs other skills. Changed my approach entirely

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No, I’m living in Sweden. I have been over there a few times though.
I was a huge movie buff a few years ago, I also wanted to pick up a new language. And one day I watched Memories of Murder. I thought the movie was awesome and thought, hey why not learn this language. Didn’t think that much about it to be honest, just got started haha.

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@Wnint you just started watching korean movies? thats a sick story tbh. What other languages do you speak/work on? Is korean your best language besides native? What’s your favorite use of languages for you personally?