Seriously trying to understand the US-American concept of freedom

“How do you assault someone in a “decent way”? Journalists…”

Word.

“Sexueller Missbrauch” is kind of similar…I mean…it implies that there´s a correct way to use children in a sexual way.
Sexueller Gebrauch?^^

“What ever happened to “small is beautiful”?”

Was that ever a thing? I prefer medium-size…

ad Paul: (…) …“Sexueller Missbrauch” is kind of similar…I mean…it implies that there´s a correct way to use children in a sexual way.
Sexueller Gebrauch?^^ (…)

I think that is different, because “sexueller” here defines “Missbrauch”. There are also other types of “abuse” (Missbrauch).

You can physically or psychologically abuse a person. In German we have “geistiger Missbrauch”.

(…) …Was that ever a thing? I prefer medium-size…(…)

Medium sounds fair enough :wink:

ad Jay: (…) …By the time I turned 20, I started to see things differently; then I was attracted to (almost literally) all women - tall, short, skinny, plump, big, small…war sie weiblich und unter 50, so wollte ich sie xxxx. … Tomorrow I will be sober, and will regret writing that! (…)

Oh, my, Jay, was that a bottle of whisky you just emptied? :wink:

I gave you a rose not because I share your passion for anything female but for speaking your mind (which sometimes seems to be under the control of a “deeper lying” force ;-))

@Robert

I need to apologize for writing some of those things - normalerweise have ich mich besser im Griff.

Und jetzt will ich ein bisschen Whiskey. Ich lieeeeeeebe Whiskey.

@ Robert

“Why are you guys so obsessed with size?”

Für mich ist die Große nicht so wichtig, aber du weißt schon was für eine Krankheit ich habe.

@Robert: “…P. S. Was that guy really your teacher?..”

Yes.

(He was a very good teacher too - at the time I had no idea about the other things.)

Jay: (…) I need to apologize for writing some of those things - normalerweise have ich mich besser im Griff. (…)

I don’t think you meant any harm by what you said.

While I’m not very “outspoken” myself in this respect (at least not in public ;-)), I find racist expressions etc. a lot more “shocking” than what you wrote.

So, no need to apologize. You did not offend me nor insult anybody else. Steve probably would have called you to order if he had read it, but you are off the hook now, I guess :wink:

ad Colin: (…) Für mich ist die Große nicht so wichtig, (…)

Wenn mich in der Schule jemand ob meiner unterdurchschnittlichen Größe geärgert hat (was eigentlich selten vorkam), antwortete ich immer mit “klein, aber oho”.

Gerettet hat mich aber in diesen Fällen nicht mein Spruch, sondern die Tatsache, dass ich vier Brüder habe (und eine Schwester, die mindestens genauso gut im Verteidigen ihrer Brüder war wie umgekehrt).

(…) …aber du weißt schon was für eine Krankheit ich habe. …(…)

Ach, du meinst deine Fieberschübe?

Also, bei Fieber haben wir als Kinder Zäpfchen bekommen. Ich habe die Dinger gehasst. Zum Glück gibt es heute Aspirin-C-Brausetabletten.

Für dein Fieber wünsche ich dir, dass du noch sehr lange KEIN Gegenmittel findest :wink:

P.S. I feel I should add that I don’t wish Colin to actually fall sick. We talk about a different kind of fever here …otherwise people might think I’m a real sicko :wink:

Good new guys!

@Jay
I’m 21 and I’ve been coming to the same sort of realization as of late. I’m not even drunk and I’m admitting it. Unfortunately I’m neither 6`3 nor built like a truck.

ad David: I only slept 3 hours after a long day at a conference. This news just made my day :slight_smile:

(…) I’m not even drunk and I’m admitting it. Unfortunately I’m neither 6`3 nor built like a truck. (…)

It is the thought that counts. You’ll be fine, I’m sure :slight_smile:

Good news of course. But the religious pandering is still there:

“I think what we need to do is respect both sides. We need to respect both opinions,”

Er… no. You can’t do that. They are mutually exclusive.

In the words of the governor: “Religious liberty is a core American and Arizona value. So is non-discrimination.”

Very well put.

So what is the situation now in Arizona? Are bussinesses legally obliged to serve gay customers?

Also, when the article says ‘gay and lesbian customers’, am I now to believe that the word ‘gay’ only applies to men?

“Also, when the article says ‘gay and lesbian customers’, am I now to believe that the word ‘gay’ only applies to men?”

Lesbians are not “gay” because they are attracted to women…

“Lesbians are not “gay” because they are attracted to women…”

Does that mean I am a lesbian?

Dunno. Uhm…do you have short hair?

ad Colin: (…) …So what is the situation now in Arizona? Are bussinesses legally obliged to serve gay customers? (…)

I think you missed the point here, Colin.

But probably this was just a rhetorical question. Of course they are not.

Do you think businesses in all the other states where they don’t have such a law are obliged to serve gay customers? No, they are not.

But, and that’s what this whole thing was about, they cannot rely on a law to refuse to serve customers solely on the basis of their sexual orientation. These are two completely different things.

The supporters of this bill came up with their own examples to try and show why they needed such a law.

What if, they argued, a Jewish store owner who only sells kosher food would be “forced” by a customer to sell him pork. If the store owner refused to do so, the customer could sue him…that’s why we need that law!

I can’t believe that people actually bought into that excuse.

Even if I sued a Jewish store owner for not selling me pork, I’d lose the case because, as far as I know, there is not a single law in the US that forces the store owner to offer the kind of products potential customers wish to buy from him.

Have you ever heard of Walmart being sued for not offering a product a customer wanted to buy? I guess not.

This and many other hypothetical cases brought forward by those in favour of that bill are completely without any foundation (let’s not forget there has not been a single incident where such a law would actually have proven to be necessary; even the supporters of that bill had to admit that so far there had been no need for such a law; why they thought it would be necessary now is beyond me, unless they intended to use it for the reasons it probably was drafted right from the start: to discriminate) .

The Jewish store owner, to get back to our example, should, however, not be allowed to refuse to sell his products, which he sells to everybody else, to a gay person merely on the grounds of his religious beliefs. And I think that’s the message the governor sent out and it seems to have been well received by many (albeit not all, of course).

Very short!

ad Colin and Paul: As far as I know “gay” refers to both men and women.

The example you gave, Colin, just shows that some journalists are not always that well informed. “Gay” is simply a synonym for “homosexual”.

In German, however, “schwul” is only used for men. I once watched an American movie, though, where they actually translated “gay” as “schwul” (in the dubbed German version) even though they were talking about a woman. Apart from that obvious translation mistake I have never ever heard anybody refer to a woman as “schwul” in German.

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