My university had an excellent program. We had eight classes a week, which included five conversation classes conducted entirely in Japanese right from the start. The teachers did an i+1 kind of thing and built our confidence in speaking. There were also opportunities to speak and connect with conversation groups and language partners.
After three semesters, including about 240 hours of conversation classes, I went to Japan for an exchange. I was already comfortable with basic communication in clear, standard Japanese. My vocabulary was limited, and comprehension of natural spoken language was still developing, but by the end of eight months there, I was comfortable with casual conversation.
The following summer I did an internship at a factory in Japan in what was essentially a no English environment. Those three months pushed me to functional fluency (after about 3 years total).
This all took place before YouTube, streaming, podcasts, or italki. My listening and speaking practice came almost exclusively through live interaction, while my reading focused on what I encountered in my daily life (assignments, correspondence, signs, labels, menus, manuals, documentation, articles, forms, reports, etc).These areas became my strengths.
Reading novels, manga, and newspapers, remained difficult for much longer. However, there is a great deal of this written language that is just not used in everyday interpersonal communication. In hindsight, I think this focus helped me achieve spoken fluency faster, and I expanded from there.
Oh boy, I see what you are seeing. The formatting is not great on that forum profile. I’ll have to fix that. Sorry. It is for Spanish, but my goals for 2025 were to reach 200 hrs of speaking and 800 hours of listening
I had hundreds of hours of conversation classes before I was conversational or fluent. However, I didn’t have a significant amount of input outside of those hours, so I think someone with your background would progress faster. Ultimately you will have to practice and go through those steps to build confidence. Based on my experience with Spanish, which was more CI first, I’d say it can feel more frustrating because of the big gap between comprehension and output levels. Don’t let it deter you!
Yes, and also I think I have some benefit as Japanese and Spanish phonetics overlap a lot. I probably would have had a much harder time with French.
My opinions :
- See above. The only way out is through. You need lots of hours of conversation. It can be frustrating. Keep going.
- Work on some monologues on topics you want to talk about (language islands) Use AI to help develop them. Ask for words phrases and how a native speaker would express the ideas. Practice those so they roll off the tongue, and reinforce by bringing up the topics in conversations with the tutor and ask for their feedback. Go for communication not perfection and move on to the next language island before too long. You can revisit later.
- You can do similar things with grammar points that trip you up. I often have chat GPT run drills me for those.
- If there is a Japanese language group or conversation partner in your area, personal relationships are a great way to learn and connect.
- Keep going!