I wouldn't bet against

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“I wouldn’t bet against him winning the championship this year.”

It means I don’t think he will win the championship, right?

Thank you!

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Actually it means the opposite. Since bet against something means that you don’t think something will happen but there is the wouldn’t in this sentence.

I would bet against him winning the championship this year would mean that you don’t think he will win the championship.

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In these cases, I like to think of how it would sound if I said the opposite. If I said “I WOULD bet against…” it means, I’m confident I’ll win my bet against the other person. This works for quite a few instances for me, but sometimes it doesn’t make sense if I’m not a native, like double negatives in Russian.

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  1. I would bet on him winning the game.
  2. I would bet on him to win the game.

I wonder which is more natural.

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Personally, I think No. 2 is more natural, but I think they are both OK.

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Hmm, maybe it depends somewhat on the Aktionsart of the verb?

If the verb describes some kind of continuous or habitual action, then I think I’d tend to use (1.) But if it is a particular or ‘one-off’ kind of action, then maybe I’d tend to use (2.)

Thus:

“I’d bet on Yoda using Nivea cream every day.”

“I’d bet on Yoda to get stood up on a date”.

But it’s not clear cut. I’m sure there are plenty of instances where (1.) and (2.) are completely interchangeable.

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Thank you, Prinz.

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  1. I would bet on his winning the game.

How about this?

I imagine that “winning” in this sentence is not a present-participle form but a gerund.

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Interesting how the answers to these “which is more natural” questions always vary. I guess that shows how nuanced they sometimes are. Some of it comes from native speakers from different regions or social spheres. Some come from non-native speakers answering, which always seems a bit odd to me (though I know some here are more fluent in correct English than some native speakers.)

In my mid-American sphere, #1 is what I would expect to hear and would be likely to utter in all instances. #2 is grammatically correct but sounds less conversational to me. The same with “… on his winning the game”.

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Can say it but nobody ever would.

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  1. I wouldn’t bet against you mastering two languages during the summer.
  2. I wouldn’t bet against your mastering two languages during the summer.
  3. I wouldn’t bet against you to master two languages during the summer.
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All fine, second one less natural.

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It seems that your “less natural” means “formal”.
Do you think that it is extremely formal or relatively formal, [[Paivi]]?
I personally feel that relatively formal expressions are preferable than extremely informal expressions.

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“1. I wouldn’t bet against you mastering two languages during the summer.“

Is the “mastering” in the above sentence a gerund or a present participle?
The “you” seems to be modified by the “mastering…”. On the other hand, If “your” is used instead of “you”, it definitely modifies “mastering …”, which is a gerund.