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@bbbblinq Are you saying that these 11 words werenât in a lesson?
@bbbblinq is absolutely right. Thatâs a horrible design decision.
I am hoping that LingQ understands this and is not resistant to fixing this, because some people totally despise this.
It should never, ever, be okay to automatically add words to a userâs list of known words unless that user wants, and has opted in, to that functionality.
It is too easy for that to accidentally happen. You make one little unintended button press and suddenly a whole bunch of words get added to your list of known words, with no real way of being able to undo it.
And I know exactly what happened here. @bbbblinq has these settings turned off:
Paging moves to known
Auto LingQ creation
Yet was still impacted by this by accidentally pressing the checkmark on the last page of the lesson, which doesnât honour these settings. I have done this many times! It drives me nuts when I do this, because there is no âundoâ option. There isnât even an âAre you sure?â prompt, it just happens suddenly and instantly. And even if you try to manually undo it by individually tracking down all the words that you didnât really learn, you still canât set them back to unknown. The best that you can do, and this involves a lot of time and effort, is to track each word down and set it to â1â âNewâ (yellow). If you press the trashcan symbol, which you would think would set the word to unknown, it instead sets it to âIgnoreâ. But âIgnoreâ words appear exactly as âKnownâ words do, without a highlighting colour. You canât seem to be able to revert these words back to being unknown and highlighted blue.
And I know that some of you want this behaviour, especially the people who already mostly know a language and want to mark words as known quickly. But for those of us who donât, we absolutely dread it. We dread accidentally pressing a button that results in this happening. Itâs a huge waste of our time and we canât even properly recover from it. And Iâll bet that many people curse when this happens to them. And some will just give up entirely on LingQ because of these frustrations.
I most certainly do not want words that I have not really learned added to my list of known words!
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@ScottTyler I know we wrote about this in other threads and I understand that some users donât like this feature. However, we still believe that there is no reason to switch pages or complete a lesson without taking care of all blue words in it. It makes no sense to complete a lesson with blue words behind and then encounter them again in the other lesson. We did add an option to disable moving to known while paging, but itâs unlikely that we will add it for completing a lesson too. There is a warning prompt that appears first time users complete a lesson that the action will move all remaining blue words to known.
I find it a serious problem that there is no way to undo an action.
So why not just forcefully treat new words as words to be studied?
That would still be better, because they would be added to the word list and could be managed later.
If a word is marked as âknownâ without creating a LingQ, there is no longer any way to access it.
It would be a different story if you provided a list of known words.
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@zoran What functionality is behind the complete lesson tick mark? Exactly what does it do? We know it moves blue words to known, whether the user wants this to happen or not. What else does it do?
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Agree up to that point, but moving those to known appears to be somewhat arbitrary. These blue words could be known words or alternatively could be words to be ignored / to be removed. With youtube imports, the latter is quite common (e.g. English Words in the transcript of another target language).
Bulk-Moving to known (while paging or at the end of a lesson) can be a powerful aid - but only under certain circumstances. Bulk-Moving to be ignored could also be useful.
So in a nutshell:
- There seems to be no consistent logic why blue words need to be bulk-moved to known (this is just one possible path).
- Moving to be ignored while paging could be a useful addition <<< nice to have suggestion to be added as an option
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At the time, I understood that these words, which I donât know were added to my know words list.
The app doesnât support shortcuts so I use the browser.
There can be delays and the buttons are tricky. Too often, it seems to try to add words at the end of a lesson. I will never ever want this.
I canât find the words in my vocab list so it may not have done it. The threat that it will donât in the future remains.
I am not against the feature. It should have a 0% chance of being triggered when the user doesnât want it. And should be undo.able.
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Iâd disagree. There are often words in lessons that I donât consider useful for me to learn today, possibly because they are a bit advanced or obscure, so I donât want to create a Lingq. They are clearly not known, and I would rather not mark them as ignored words as I may want to learn them at a later date. So, the ideal would be to have the option of leaving them as blue until I decide to put them in one box or another.
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@AJB16 Creating a LingQ doesnât mean that you know a word. It actually marks it as yellow/unknown and saves it to your vocabulary list so that you can learn it later. Next time you see it in a lesson, it will be yellow and youâll know that you already saw it before. With time, you will learn yellow words. Thatâs the point. Leaving them as blue doesnât do any good. I understand that you, as a user, may have your own way of learning and prefer different things and thatâs fine, but our philosophy is that no blue words should be left behind in a lesson. Thatâs what we think works best for learners, and we will stick to that system.
@B.Oliver Bulk moving to Ignored might be useful in some cases, I agree. However, thereâs usually not that much word in a lesson that needs to be ignored, so I donât think that option is necessary at the moment, but definitely something to think about for the future.
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I get that things wonât change, as this is your philosophy. I would like to feed back my view, nevertheless.
However, one of the online teachers I use has a different view, that of applying a âtomorrowâ test. Could I use this word tomorrow, at my level of Italian and in realistic situations? If yes, then I create a Lingq. If no then I either want to ignore forever, or defer thinking about the word until it passes that test. As I use a wide variety of materials in my learning there are often many uncommon words that would fit in that third category.
Creating lingqs would make those words litter my vocabulary practice at the expense of words I do want to work on. In an ideal world at the end of each lesson Iâd get presented with a list of the blue words and be able to select between ignore, known or âleave as blueâ for each. Could be a user setting for preferred behaviour.
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This is a great reason right hereâŚ
To be honest the thing that worries me a bit about this, is not the issue itself, but the fact that this issue has been consistently brought up by new and old users alike, and despite this, the response is always something along the lines of âWe cannot possibly fathom a reason that anyone in their right mind would ever want to do such a thingâ. There used to be a warning at least, so at some point someone must have thought that this was important. 
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