China, Russia , Turkey , North Korea

What are they thinking about western democracy?

Could you elaborate a little more about this question?

Ridiculous question. Those 4 countries are populated by millions of different people with millions of different opinions.

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These country’s governements… I’ve been thinking recently, after all these events: Brexit, US political situation, terrorists attacks.

Is it possible, given the historical of these chiefs of state, that they’re thinking: Ok, all this idea of democracy, freedom of speech and free press…it’s bullshit.

The instability of the western culture, might be reinforcing these ‘dictators’ ?

In those countries opinion polls are useless.

Public Opinion in Russia: Russians’ Attitudes on Economic and Domestic Issues
http://www.apnorc.org/projects/Pages/HTML%20Reports/public-opinion-in-russia-russians-attitudes-on-the-economic-and-domestic-issues-issue-brief.aspx

Well freedom of speech is under attack in Canada too so I don’t understand what you’re saying.

I think that democracy in general is an illusion since people who have enough money to affect policymaking put money on both the governing party and the opposition so that they basically never lose.

Every respectable regime, be it in a democratic country or not, does everything in its power to stay in power as long as it can. If people appreciate a more authoritarian-type leader then the leader will take the authoritarian route.

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“Is it possible, given the historical of these chiefs of state, that they’re thinking: Ok, all this idea of democracy, freedom of speech and free press…it’s bullshit.”

These are not the problem. The problem is that they are trying to force opinions and force people to act in ways they don’t want to. they are intervening both domestically and internationally more than they should. What you see politically is the rejection of these porced ideas and for the terrorist attacks you see the rejection of the intervention in the middle east for so many years.

and they’re useful in Japan?

Edit: the link you provided doesn’t help your point at all.

Are you Kidding? How many journalists are in jail in Canada?..You can’t be serious.

" for the terrorist attacks you see the rejection of the intervention in the middle east for so many years."

That’s not an argument, it’s an excuse, a pretext used by autoritharians to kill innocent people.

Under attack means there is a threat, not that it is currently as bad as other places.

Freedom of press is doing fine. Freedom of speech isn’t.

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under attack TOO…so, it was a comparison…a wrong comparison.

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“That’s not an argument, it’s an excuse, a pretext used by autoritharians to kill innocent people.”

Which side are you claiming to be the authoritarians?

Yes, of course, at the moment. You should check the history of opinion polls in some countries.
Where there isn’t free speech, opinion polls are useless. Only in democracies does public opinion matter.

I understand your point of view, but anywhere freedom of speech is suppressed, it is attacked. It is unexpected in the west since we boast about this freedom, so “too” is appropriate.

“Ridiculous question.”

Why respond to a question at all if it is just to berate them for asking it in the first place?

I think jaliscostate is right that freedom of speech is under attack in Canada and it is a problem. It is a bit of a first-world-problem type of problem when you compare it to the attacks on, or general lack of, freedom of speech in many other places in the world. Still, that doesn’t mean Canadians who support freedom of speech should not be worried about it.

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Why not? I love to spread my ignorance on this forum.

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Don’t we all.

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