I agree with Steve, this rule is unfair, and the Russians got robbed a hard-earned goal, but such is the rule (which should be modified in light of the current situation).
Here is someone I would like to see as coach of the Vancouver Canucks instead of the fool we now have.
Some of his and other Russian comments after the game.
“A great game today,” echoed Russian coach Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, speaking through an interpreter. "I believe the spectators also loved it. A very dynamic game where both teams performed at their top level.
“It is only a preliminary-round game,” said Ilya Kovalchuk. “Everything will be decided in the semifinal and the final.”
One Russian reporter basically accused Quick of cheating, saying he has a reputation for knocking nets loose.
Bilyaletdinov said he had not heard that, adding it was up to the officials to police play.
When the reporter insisted the officials had been duped, the Russian coach replied: “If there was an official’s mistake, there should be people who will be judging the official’s performance as well. But what can we do right now?”
“I do believe there was a mistake by the referee but it’s our job to prepare for the next match now.”
Another reporter questioned why American Brad Meier was one of the two referees for the game.
“Of course it would be probably more objective to have a referee from a neutral country, but I didn’t think that it would really bother me,” said the imperious Bilyaletdinov. “I believe the referee was a good one and I didn’t pay much attention to that.”
The other referee was Marcus Vinnerborg of Sweden. The linesmen were Canadians.
The Russian villain was Radulov, who was in the penalty box for both American goals. Should the former Nashville Predator be scratched next time out, the coach was asked.
“Scratched? Yes I guess,” Bilyaletdinov said. “Needs to be scratched. Among other things.”
I am not going to police or moderate these forums. They will meander where people want, just as a discussion in someone’s living room. As long as we avoid foul language and keep the insults within reasonable limits, I am all for a free for all.
“As long as we avoid foul language and keep the insults within reasonable limits, I am all for a free for all.”
Agreed. You shouldn´t communicate with strangers on the Internet if you can´t handle being insulted from time to time.
I read another article on this, and the issue seems to whether the US Goaltender deliberately pushed the net off its moorings.
""Quick said he had no idea why the Russian goal was waved off, “until after and I turned around and saw (the post) was off. I know that immediately after they scored, somebody skated through the crease. I don’t know if he bumped it or if it happened after or before. It’s just a lucky break, I guess, and you need to catch some lucky breaks to win the game.”
The Russians weren’t buying it.
“I play with him,” said Quick’s L.A. teammate, defenceman Slava Voynov. “I know his style.”
“Nobody touch the net. Their goalie touch the net and put it out,” said Alex Ovechkin. “But the referee have to see it and at least give him two minutes, you know?”"
If Quick has a reputation for doing this, an NHL referee is more likely to know that.
I am not convinced that the nationality of the referees had anything to do with this, especially since there are two referees, and the off-ice officials also reviewed the goal. If one of the referees had been Russian, but the other Swedish, and the same had happened to the US team, I am sure there would have been some squawking from Americans but I doubt that the Russian official could be reasonably blamed.
I’m not asking for anyone to “police or moderate” anything. If a conversation started getting out of hand or away from a topic of my interest in a living room (to use your metaphor), I would attempt to refocus the conversation or keep things civil. I could, of course, simply stop following this thread, but I enjoy reading about hockey, and reading other’s opinions about hockey (I was unaware that there was an American official, and your comment about the head coach and his class-act comments was also very interesting).
Back to Hockey, tomorrow’s Canada vs. Finland match should be fun to watch.
I also didn’t know this about Quick’s reputation. From rewatching replays it doesn’t seem intentional, but the professionals would know far better than I would, and as an American I have a bias :). He did a good job in the game and had to come up big in the shootout.
“I am not going to police or moderate these forums. They will meander where people want, just as a discussion in someone’s living room.”
The only thing that will not be tolerated by Steve is ура-патриотизм - or jingoism as the so-called liberals decided to call it - coming from Russians. Ура-патриотизм is a common insult widely and frequently used by Russian so-called liberals whenever anything Russian is being praised or anything good happens in that country. I was blamed for being enthusiastic about my country’s performance. The liberals have taken it upon themselves to decide what the Russians can be happy about and what degree of patriotism is appropriate.
These Olympic Games have been EXTREMELY politicized in the Russian and foreign media. Remember the same few photos of brown water and such in a Sochi hotel that are now world-famous and that were meant to tell you that Sochi and, by extension, Russia is a mess? It is, they say, Putin’s personal fault and failure. The polarizing of the Russians is the worst I have ever seen. There are no more those left that simply root for the team - now it is a battle, a verbal war between the so-called liberals and everyone else. When we (I am in the “everyone else” camp) are happy for the successes of our team, here come the so-called liberals. They have gone as far as to say that the 15-year-old figure skater who had earned the highest points, is an enabler to Putin’s bloody regime, just like a Germany’s winning skater in the 1936 Olympics was Hitler’s enabler. When someone supports a Russian athlete who does well, we are called ура-патриоты by the people who say such anti-Russia nonsense that has nothing to do with reality.
Echo Moskvi is ultra liberal, considered russophobic and even an enemy by many (they have a great website for language learning though). Steve, being Echo Moskvi’s connoisseur, cannot not know how and why ура-патриотизм is used. It is a condescending, russophobic insult. He could’ve told me that I bore everyone with my posts about the Games, but he chose to devalue my sincere rooting for the Russians on this forum.
About the game:
It’s an awful rule that can be destructive to the players’ morale. You skate to death trying to score - and then they don’t count that hard-earned goal. The so-called liberals are ecstatic, no doubt.
" That is why it pains me that your face is so ugly."
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I don´t like reading stuff like this, it makes me really angry (and sad actually) I just can´t see the funny part in it,
its real people here in the forum…
Tomorrow, Im heating my sauna and Hope that Finland wins (3-2)…
Cribbe good luck tomorrow, you’ve got a good team This thread has angered and saddened me also.The sauna might be the best antidote to all this vitriol.
I only edited your use of foul language. You can be as emotionally patriotic as you want. When you make statements like “AMERICANS WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN FOR NOT COUNTING OUR 3RD GOAL” , or on another thread re the Lativan hockey team “boo Latvia”, I sort of feel that your patriotism is just a tad excessive for my liking, and I will say so. But hey, say whatever you want, just keep it clean.
Before the hockey tournament started I said on this forum that if Canada could not win, I hoped Russia would in front of their home fans. Russophobe ?
As to the critical press reports at the beginning of the Sochi games, the same happened in Vancouver. I believe the Guardian in the UK called it the worst winter games ever two days into the games. This was not a Canadaphobe plot, just journalists looking for dirt.
Echo Moskvi is indeed a liberal radio station. It is great for any student of Russian. It offers a wide variety of opinion, from right wingers like Prokhanov to left wingers like Udaltsov, from right wing wingnut Zhirinovski to Communist Zhuganov, government ministers including anti-Westerners like Rogosin and excessively pro-Westerners journalists like Albats, cynics like Shenderovich, economists like Yashin, former ministers of the government in the 90’s like Nemtsov, and Illarianov and I am only going from memory. The station covers politics, world affairs (Mirsky on the middle east is awesome), economics, history and more. Love it and miss it now that I am doing Korean.
We received permission to put their content in our library. So please, Russian learners, help yourselves.
As a liberal radio station, associated in the minds of many Russians with the “bad 90s” it is largely unpopular. Yet it has the largest listening audience of any radio station in Moscow. It’s majority owner is Gazprom, and it is very much a part of the intellectual scene in Russia.
cribble & cistyzuby: You’re right. It was a gross thing to say on my part. I have deleted it. Paule89, your face is fine. In case you care and in case I hurt you. I mean it. There is really nothing wrong with your face. But I meant everything else. Just should’ve picked a less sadistic way to reply to your mean comments and your rude comment on my wall.
By the way, the stuff that they do in porn videos also happens to real people. Just a food for thought.
“Paule89, your face is fine. In case you care and in case I hurt you. I mean it.”
Yeah, never mind.
" …your mean comments"
What do you mean? The caffeine-thing? That was a joke. Your posts had kind of an…excessive feel to them…that´s why.
It kinda escalated after that…
"your rude comment on my wall. "
I wrote “I´m still curious how the heck I´m misogynist, by the way” and I still wanna know. I even wrote “The 1st and 2nd wave “Women should be allowed to vote, to work etc.” in particular were awesome though. I AM a feminist by their standards.” and then you called me ugly and misogynist. That made me curious.^^
I don´t think I´m the only one who uses “feminist” as an insult while thinking that women should have equal rights, by the way. Many people I know associate feminism with misandry, rather than emancipation.
"By the way, the stuff that they do in porn videos also happens to real people. Just a food for thought. "
What are you talking about? I don´t remember ever talking about Porn on LingQ.
Meanwhile on hockey, if the US goalkeeper deliberately pushed the net off its moorings then he was liable for a delay of game penalty, I believe. I think, however, that the goal would still not have counted. I could be wrong.
When I see the replay, and in the light of Voynov’s comments, it does look like he could have done it on purpose. Anyway, if Russia and the US meet again in this tournament, I would think that the Russians will be even more fired up.
nebulae
This whole exchange is absurd. What went from a discussion of the great sport of hockey and the olympics has turned into the ramblings of an upset insane person throwing insults around which have no factual basis. I understand national pride and being upset at a team loosing, but I also find such ignorance displayed on a forum which has it’s foundation in the study of other cultures to be saddening. I also see you live in the United States. If you hate us so much, you are welcome to return to Russia.
Now, if this is any consolation to you, as an American, I have to agree that it was absurd to have an American referee officiating that game.
ARay, I think this discussion is a little off the rails but I think the terms like “insane” and “hate” are not going to bring us back on track. As far as I know, a person who resides in the US, or even is a US citizen, is not obliged to like all things about the US, ditto in Canada. They are certainly not required to cheer for the US or Canada in hockey.
I know a Swede of Finnish origin who always cheers for Finland when they play Sweden in hockey. BTW the game tomorrow between Canada and Finland should be a humdinger.
As for Canada and Russia, our goaltenders have started practicing how to dislodge the goal without anyone noticing when the other team is about to score.
Seriously though, for all we know, if we sat around a dinner table we would all be the best of friends. There is something about the anonymity of the internet that sometimes leads to things getting out of hand.
I was a little confused by Nebulae’s assertion that Steve is a russophobe.
(But then again, I once posted under the name “Teutophobe Jones” - which might be considered a little ironic by those who know me well…)
To be honest, I was a little confused when the goal was under review. The announcers on NBC (the US broadcast) seemed to be confused about it as well. They thought they might be reviewing a high-stick on the puck but replayed the video and clearly that wasn’t the case. They didn’t figure out why the goal was disallowed until after the refs made the announcement. The goal was clearly off its moorings but its confusing because in the NHL, the goal would have been allowed. The goal being off had nothing to do with the play and to be honest, it’s a dumb rule. But it is what the rule is. I’m not sure how it would matter who the ref is for how that play was called. It net was clearly off after all.
Steve, perhaps insane was a bit much, but she certainly wasn’t being rational. I would expect and hope that she would cheer for Russia and I appreciate her pride in her homeland. America is a nation of immigrants and I am proud of my Irish, German and Swedish heritage and I cheer for those teams or athletes that represent those nations when the United States is not in contention. My point was, this forum and language learning as a whole celebrates other cultures. I know I for one love studying other cultures, I will be living in Germany this summer, I spend a great deal of time reading about other countries, and would like to eventually travel to more countries and learn more languages. I agree we would all be great friends if we met in person, and I operate under the assumption that we already are as we share a common passion, but when someone begins throwing around personal attacks at multiple people they should be called out on it. Those comments against you and Paule were absolutely uncalled for.
That game should be great, sadly I don’t have any way to watch it. I know his production is down a bit but I love that Selanne is still going strong. Such a great player.