How to stay motivated no matter what happens?

I will soon start learning German. I don’t know how long it will take for me to get as good in German as I am good in English right now, but I hope I will get there.

I have a track record of initiating projects only to drop them midway. I must stick with German this time.

Also, someone also told me that learning a language will become obsolete in 5-10 years after AI makes instantaneous translation (voice+text) so ubiquitous that no one is going to bother to learn a language anymore. So I guess learning German for its own sake is my only way to stick to it?

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I believe that learning a language will never become obsolete, no matter how good AI translation is. At its core, speaking a foreign language is about making human connections. There will always be value in doing so without technology.

If you want to stick with a language, you must develop a strong intrinsic motivation for learning it. It’s okay to start out learning without that motivation, just to try it out, like you would with any new hobby. But learning a language is like climbing a mountain. If you want to get to the top, you must dig deep and find your “why.”

I suggest taking online or in-person lessons early on to start speaking with natives. You’ll likely find your motivation faster if you use what you’re learning, rather than just reading and watching videos. I.e., make some human connections and see where that takes you.

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If the goal is to have unlimited motivation, then you would need to personally generate a source of consistent results, which lingq already does by default (Stats). Increase the stats and start talking and listening to content in which you will randomly notice you know one more word than before. From there, you have to actively notice that it’s a magically and random encounterment, which triggers the motivation. That’s an example of consistent motivation.

In the end, results are all that matters in which it drives us to the next phase of life.

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It is good to have underlying motivation or purpose. However, as far as daily execution of language learning, I’d point you to the advice of @PeterBormann on his profile page: Login - LingQ

He recommends creating a habit based approach, rather than relying on motivation or “feeling like it”, which will vary inherently. (Check out the books Atomic Habits, and the Power of Habit if you want to learn more about how habit creation can change your life)

I do something in Spanish every day, right when I wake up. It has become essentially automatic. I started with 25-30 minutes a day. If I can’t do it for one reason or another, I still do at least a few minutes to maintain the daily habit. I also use other context based triggers (when I mow the lawn, when I work out, when I do dishes, when I drive) try to add more listening input.

Also, someone also told me that learning a language will become obsolete in 5-10 years after AI makes instantaneous translation (voice+text) so ubiquitous that no one is going to bother to learn a language anymore. So I guess learning German for its own sake is my only way to stick to it?

Many German speakers already speak English, so why do you have to learn German even now? You can do most of what you would need to by having them speak English. However, if you have a passion for the language or want to have direct relationships or human connection with German speaking people, you should learn the language. I don’t think that will be replaceable by AI until they can upload languages into our brains like the matrix. :slight_smile:

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Yes, a habit-based approach is probably one of the most effective approaches learners can use when acquiring practical skills (language learning, math, programming, sports - you name it).

In contrast, relying on motivation or discipline doesn’t work in the long run or when things become uncomfortable. Both are simply too volatile.
Moreover, it’s also quite easy nowadays to deconstruct the voluntaristic logic underlying this view (see, for example, François Jullien’s “A Treatise on Efficacy”).

“Tiny Habits” by B.J. Fogg is then one of the best programs out there: Tiny Habits Book | BJ Fogg

“I don’t think that will be replaceable by AI (…)”
Yes, at the moment that’s hignly unlikely.
Language processing by genAI is “not” identical to the semantic deep processing performed by humans, as much is still missing, e.g., constant epistemic checks, referentiality, common sense, cultural background knowledge, somatic markers / embodiment, multisensory information processing, etc.

in brief, immersion in a culture is something that genAI can’t replicate. Therefore, I’d say that learning a 2nd language and getting to know another culture remains worthwhile for everyone.

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Yes, that’s probably key. Everything starts with a “strong why”…

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I’d definetely second what the previous posters have written in regards to habitualization. It is like drinking coffee every morning, brushing your teeth or taking a shower. If you do it for a while, it becomes a desire. Language learning is relatively similar.

You can also try to link language practices to other stuff you do on a regular basis anyway. For example, for quiet some time I used to do grammar exercises while watching podcasts. It became a habit to automatically grab a book and something to write once a podcast started. How much I did varied, but I did something, and that’s a start.

That beeing said I still think motivation is important, although I am not sure it is the best word, as it sounds a bit too much like a positive feeling (“feeling like it”, as hip wrote). Maybe reason is a better word. You need to have a good reason why you are learning a language, something that isn’t depending on your current mood or attitude. Think of someone doing a job he doesn’t like day per day because of his children. He isn’t necessarely motivated, but has a reason why he is doing it.

I am not sure how many people would feel comfortable having to speak a foreign language to someone who is living in their country, may it be in Germany or elsewhere. It’s a different thing if you are just visiting, of course. And yes, you somehow discriminate yourself by actively demonstrating you don’t belong to the community. So if you want to live in another country, learning the language is a have-to, imho.

In addition, whether people can really speak English and to which degree, and whether their are willing to do so differs strongly. So you get a rather limited impression of the society if you restrict you communication to those who can and want to communicate in English.

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Yes, I’m not saying anyone should actually do this!

My point is that you don’t “need” to learn German even now, but yet many do, because learning a language is not just about translating sentences. You point out some of the many reasons why.

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I think as others have said you have to have answer the question “Why am I learning German” and it has to be a bit more than “I want to know what those sneeky foreigners are saying behind my back”. Yes you can already use translation tools, but a language is a culture, by learning that language you learn the culture of another people including a different perspective on the world. I particularly enjoy French political discussions as they are much less tribal and superficial than most English language content. They remind me of the BBC 40 years ago.

I haven’t previously thought much about how and why I learn, I just work. But it does match what others have said. I don’t do it when the motivation hits. In fact motivation is not, err, part of the motivation. I put aside set times each day for learning, thus Anki in the morning, one hour of French while walking or driving to and from the ice rink, one hour of German at tea time and one hour of French while lying in bed in the late evening. If I have to go to London, I work on the train. I might skip a session but it’s rare.

Quite often I don’t feel like studying, but once I get going it’s enjoyable. It is often frustrating, in particular because I make so many mistakes, sometimes the same mistake repeatedly, especially in German and progress in German is painfully slow. Gradually there reaches a point where something sinks in, and I no longer make the mistake.

I know loads of people who start a language and never progress beyond beginner or lower intermediate. I guess you need a deep down desire to master the language and a belief that with enough hard work you will succeed, even if others learn quicker.

I’ve been learning German for 3.5 years, probably equivalent to one hour a day for 2.5 years i.e. about 900 hours, and I’m a mediocre lower intermediate. The first 18 months were slow because I used the input only method which simply does not work for me. I’m probably one of the slower learners here, perhaps due to a poor memory or perhaps due to using poor methods for a long while.

To be honest I had no idea how much hard work learning a language requires! I think many of us are swayed by glossy marketing videos that tell us how easy it is.

I think you have an advantage. You already have English to a high level, and that will encourage you to believe that you can knock German on the head too.

As regards LingQ statistics, I found they were counterproductive. They were rewarding me for doing tasks that harmed my learning, or more accurately, were less effective. So my advice would be ignore LingQ statistics, and make sure you study every day for a minimum time, preferably one hour if not more.

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Certainly habit is key to results. There is just too much work to learning a language otherwise.

Motivation is key too. One needs a “why” as others have mentioned.

I would add that I optimize for motivation. There are many ways and aspects of language learning. I focus on those which I enjoy.

For instance, I’m sure people can learn with flashcards or textbook exercises, but those methods would kill my motivation, so I don’t use them.

I mostly read novels, take notes on definitions, vocabulary and grammar plus translate English prose I find interesting. These keep me motivated and in the language, so I enjoy the process.

There may be more efficient approaches, but I’ve kept this up for three years now, I continue to improve and I know I’ll get there.

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Lately the word, “friction,” has become a buzzword for the tedious difficulty of a task.

For instance in the old days of language learning it was quite tedious to put the text aside then search by hand through a dictionary to find a definition or cue up a tape for pronunciation.

Nowadays with a computer tool like LingQ one just clicks on a word for the definition or pronunciation. That’s a massive reduction of friction.

Reducing friction is an excellent way of protecting one’s motivation without relying on discipline or inspiration.

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In the past they also had interlinear readers to get rid of that friction of looking up words. Interlinear readers had the meaning of words shown, above/below the words. No clicking required.

This tech is actually even faster than clicking on words but we don’t get all the other goodies that come with the popup upon clicking on a word (like other example sentence, grammar explanation and etc)


Rooster’s addon reader is able create interlinear reading and hide meaning of words already known.

https://shop.hyplern.com/collections/all
https://interlinearbooks.com/

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Cool! I’ve only seen the two vertical columns approach in bilingual books. I’ve got the Français / English version of Le Petit Prince.

The Rooster version works on any text, which is as it should be.

I half-expect such features will become operating system features sometime in the future.

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Another thought on motivation.

I talk myself up when I am learning. It may sound juvenile, but part of myself is in the bleachers cheering me on, taking notice of every bit of progress, making sure I appreciate the work I am putting in.

I feel good after I finish my day’s LingQ session in French. I look forward to tomorrow.

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Surveys have shown that the number one motivator is simple: just do it. Don’t argue with yourself about whether you want to do it or not.

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Works all the time.

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If one is going to spend hundreds or even thousands of hours doing something, it’s hard to imagine someone committing without a ‘strong why’.

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Of course! Why did you start to learn a/the langauage?

I wanted to understand French yé-yé music! It’s really that simple.

Here’s a charming modern video based on Françoise Hardy’s immortal song, “Le temps de l’amour” (“The Time of Love”).

“Bon Entendeur vs Françoise Hardy - Le temps de l’amour (Clip officiel)”

I’m not saying it makes sense, I’m not recommending it to anyone else, but that’s why I started to learn French.

Sometimes I follow my impulses. It’s a French thing. :slight_smile:

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