Yes it was silly, it wasn’t supposed to be literal. That situation is not the one I was picturing. I was picturing walking down the street and someone mugs you at gun point. You now have to pull out your weapon, turn the safety off and point it at him. How? You are just going to get shot.
Referring people carrying their guns around, some I know, feeling like their on top of the world and nothing can get them now. I think what attracts some of these people to guns is the feeling of power, not this logic they try to push.
I don’t think their chances are as great at success as they think they are. Nor do I think they will have any effect on bringing crime down by carrying. Nor does it solve any problem but peace of mind.
“On what do you base this fear? How will forcing them to be defenseless improve anything?”
It won’t. That’s my point. Nothing is accomplished from your way.
Because they clearly want the power. They want to protect, themselves their loved ones. Once they have that, why is there need to fear? All this american individualism these days, it’s every man for himself.
“It doesn’t, and neither will “guns-for-none”. The point is to be able to better protect yourself against assault, which is a real possibility. I will address this further down in the message.”
<> Which I was just saying is why I think they’ll care less about helping solve the problems in society, the ghettos of violence and street crimes. What’s causing them in the first place that goes ignored. If anything it’s trying to deal with the consequences of larger societal problems by helping us get rid of the symptom of a disease and calling ourselves cured.
“This is frankly untrue. History shows time and again that those with a victim mentality are the ones who get victimized, and that those who defend themselves fare better than those that comply. An estimated 800,000-2,500,000 crimes are stopped by guns each year in the US, often only needing to use them as a deterrent.”
Firstly, that is little information on a powerful statistic.
I was pointing out the subjectivity of the situation, kid kills bullies (Ohio). My friend said those bullies got what they deserved. Technically this kid was protecting himself, from a threat that he experienced daily. Hmm …protecting one’s life from threats…with guns…
Yet, he’s going to be demonized. You’ll do the same because “they were unarmed” “innocent people”. I don’t think i’m arguing this seriously, but rather being the devil’s advocate. But for a fact that I find this good vs evil in all your situations rather simplistic.
"True, but you have “less” of a chance to die or get injured, because you deter the criminal by making them become aware that THEY now have a chance to die or get injured. "
Negligibly you have raised your chances. As I said, Their weapon is in use, yours is concealed still. Unless they are just drugged out of their mind or carrying a water gun… So their advantage is significant. Maybe It’ll be a throw back mugging/assault and you’ll get a knife guy.
Now I’m not sure what crime goes on where you are, but there are parts of this city I know never to go to, the police know never to go to. If you are jumped in these areas (East St. Louis, Illinois)(Kinloch, St. Louis County)(North St. Louis City), for example, the person you are dealing with (unless they are new) will know guns and have little value for their own life. They’ve probably been shot at before, they aren’t going to fear some “rich” boy with a handgun.
That said I probably never will experience any of this myself, my naturally paranoid nature.
Feel free to tear apart those statements.
But I leave on this.
I don’t want to have the assault in the first place, this conflict, this violence. In fact, I shouldn’t have to experience it at all. So for the notion that I should just get a gun, does not satisfy me or help me to accomplish this.
My response is that, This is not a solution to a problem.
If anything it’s trying to deal with the consequences of larger societal problems by helping us get rid of the symptom of a disease and calling ourselves cured.
That was my main theme. Anything beyond his is me being a devils advocate.
Yes, I’ve shot before. Hand guns? Was a really long time ago, I was pretty young, idr when it was at great-grandma’s and she hasn’t been around for a long time.
Like rifles? As recently as high school. But not for many years since have I used a firearm.
My brother has a gun in the house. A gun which recently went off in the house. He recently filed for a conceal and carry and was denied. I know this because I went through his mail, holding it up to the light. Don’t judge me.