Christophe Clugston - the best polyglot

I absolutely agree 1000000% with rwargas22.

Thank you :wink:

I love them all. But I have a preference for the easy ones,the happier ones. The ones who uses the realistic,natural method Like Steve,Luca,Moses,Richard etc. But I like also Pr. Arguelles.

I like all the youtube polyglots. Theyā€™ve all got something a little different to throw into the mix. Some of them are trying to sell products/services, and some of them arenā€™t, but they all seem to be basically motivated to help others.

As for who is the best? Thatā€™s so hard to say. Thereā€™s the question of how many languages a person speaks, and then there is the question of how well the person speaks those languages. And thereā€™s also the question of how much time theyā€™ve spent learning their languages.

Stu Jay is extremely impressive. Itā€™s really mind-blowing to hear somebody speaking a language like Thai the way he does. And he speaks these relatively unknown Indonesian languages. Richard is mind-blowing but his language are mostly European, IIRC. In the end, as with many things, I donā€™t think there is a clear best. It depends on what criteria you consider important.

As for Clugston, I donā€™t know him so I donā€™t want to speculate about him having less-than-praiseworthy motivations. But I find his evident strong dislike for youtube polyglots strange. His videos are somewhat incoherent, and I find them a little bit disconcerting.

Iā€™ll dig this one from the past. I tried to interact with Clugston and talk about some of his ideas but he labeled me a troll because I donā€™t use my real picture online ā€“ as if anyone really cares what I look likeā€¦ I donā€™t understand Clugstonā€™s obsession with titles. As someone with multiple academic degreesā€¦ my employer only cares about my work and my results, not the degrees I hold. By his definition of a ā€œmasterā€ BB King, Eric Clapton, or Mark Knopfler wouldnā€™t be considered exceptional musicians because they donā€™t hold degrees in music.

Wait, you mean thatā€™s not you in your avatar picture? :wink:

I watch Clugstonā€™s videos on YouTube. I watch many linguists and language-learners online. You know, the guy is right about one thing: the left/right brain modes of learning. What he doesnā€™t realize, though, (since I doubt heā€™s ever used it), is that LingQ allows the user to learn in both ways. I just posted in another thread about how I began ā€œprocessingā€ more Russian as meaningful content simply by listening to LingQ lessons; by ā€œforgettingā€ the English definitions I learned and just listened. Of course I wouldnā€™t have understood them at all without a left-brain approach in the beginning; but effective, meaningful listening (at least for me) is largely a right-brain activity. (From what I understand about the different hemispheres of the brain, anyway.) You know, the thing Steve said that finally convinced me into using LingQ was the line, to paraphrase: ā€œNo one can teach you a languageā€. That doesnā€™t seem itā€™s coming from a left-brain-centric philosophy at all, which Clugston often accuses LingQ of being. The beauty of LingQ, unlike Rosetta Stone (right-brain-centric) and, I suspect, academic study (left-brain-centric), is that itā€™s well-balanced in this regard. That doesnā€™t make me a ā€œsycophantā€ to anyone. Thatā€™s just my opinion. And academia is full of opinions, which I know Christophe would mockingly disagree with.

Thanks Russophile, the problem we have at LIngQ is persuading people who are used to being taught by someone else, that they really have to just learn by themselves, and that LingQ provides a wide range of resources and functions , and a community, that make it easier to do that.

I sometimes have a hard time believing Clugston isnā€™t just an elaborate troll when I watch his videos. His pretentious behavior regularly reaches a cartoonish level of ridiculousness that is usually reserved for satirical comedy.

Stujayā€™s talents are practically otherworldly. His mandarin isnā€™t mind-blowing to me since I lived in Taiwan for a long time, but neither is anybody elseā€™s on this list. (Mike Campbell and Brendan Oā€™kaneā€™s are, though). But Stujay speaks a ton of SE Asian languages and has basically gotten Mandarin from its regional importance as a 2nd or 3rd language in Thailand, Indonesia, etc. His Thai is basically native from what everyone has told me.

I would bump Stujay up all the way to the top. I havenā€™t really heard much of Richard Simcott but Luca thoroughly impressed me and obviously Steve did too or I probably wouldnā€™t be posting on this site.

Only because Kato Lomb passed away :confused:

@Vincentd:
Exactly my thoughts! Iā€™m interested in communicating with people, expanding my horizons and getting to know different cultures.
As a learning endeavor and as a matter of of interest, curiosity and breaking barriers, I just love learning languages.
As an odd kind of sport, based on silly measurements, ā€œpolyglotismā€ is one of the lamest.

Where are you getting this information from? His Thai is near native, yes. Mandarin good, B2/C1, Vietnamese B1/B2. I think there are some videos with him speaking a decent amount of either Malaysian or Indonesian. Iā€™ve seen very little evidence of his other languages, so Iā€™m skeptical. Iā€™ve never read much of his advice because itā€™s so bad. Learn 3000 words in the first week? Who can do that? Is he an excellent polyglot? Yes. Does he belong near the top of that list? No.

Iā€™d never heard of the guy, but then again I never got excited about the polyglot fad on youtube a few years ago. However, this is an interesting video in which he lists his proficiency in many languages (in Thai). Impressive indeed.

Iā€™ve heard him speak a bunch of languages. He claims fluency in something like 16 languages and some skill in about 30 and nothing Iā€™ve heard or seen from him makes me doubt it. You should at least be able to find some videos of him speaking other languages if you hunt. He did some multilingual interpretation on Thai TV using Cantonese and Hindi.

As for the learning 3k words in the first week, if you already speak half a dozen related languages, itā€™s probably not that hard since you get most of them for free. The same would happen for Luca if he started on another Romance language!

Ironically our ā€œalpha linguistā€ of the thread gives him the thumbs up and vouches for his Italian, Hindi, Urdu and proto-Thai! How often have you seen a video like this?

Ah here are some videos of him speaking some that are a bit harder to find him speaking on YouTube. Itā€™s from 7 years ago, though. Heā€™s improved since, especially the Mandarin, Vietnamese and Japanese. The 2nd part shows his estimation of his ability before the clips.

Bahasa Indonesian
Bahasa Malasian
Javanese
Danish
Swedish (very short)
Norwegian (very short)

Italian
Spanish
Hindi
Japanese
Vietnamese
Sign Language
Morse Code (lol)

Iā€™ve seen all 4 of those videos, and many others. Again, very little proof of a high level in most of those languages. Itā€™s not very hard to make yourself look good for a few seconds in a video; we see it all the time. Some people admit their level isnā€™t very high, some claim fluency, whatever that means.
Regarding the 3k words in the first week advice, itā€™s just bizarre to me that anyone would actually defend that. I hope that special situation works out well for you.

Iā€™m hoping for that experience when I get around to Korean. I majored in Japanese and then later spent years in Taiwan using Mandarin. Also I speak English fluently, which will be another source of loan words. Hopefully, Iā€™ll get many thousands of words practically for free.

For now, Iā€™m struggling with Thai.

I just came across Mr. Clugston today and was more than a little taken aback by his presentation and attitude. The fellow has some issues, I fear. His approach reminds me very much of some ā€˜fakeā€™ martial arts instructors Iā€™ve encountered over the years. Bluster, aggression, claiming ā€˜authorityā€™ and denigrating others in the same field is not the way to go. Happily the Net allows you to choose who you interact with or view ā€¦ so I can simply steer a path away from him and continue to enjoy Steveā€™s far more amiable and inclusive style.

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(Maybe Mr C deserves a break)