How long does it take you on average to create a lingq (with hint etc.)? It would be nice to compare myself to the average lingq user. I think that most of you (if not all of you) are faster than me. I take a guess on my average time: 30 sec
How do you go about lingqing? Do you lingq every word in a text and add the translation afterwards? Or step-by-step (lingq-by-lingq)?
Do you use the dictionary which is attached to LingQ? Do you open another dictionary in your browser? Does that slow you down?
How could the lingqing process become faster? Could it become faster, smoother, more naturally? Do you resent lingqing because it slows you down and disturby your “flow”?
I ask these questions because I don’t lingQ! It takes too much time and slows me down. It is impractical, at least for me. Where’s my mistake?
When the dictionnary works fine, you can just drag and drop the definition into the user hints. Since the exemple is filled automatically, it should take you less than 10 sec !
I use another dictionnary only when Babylon gives me nothing, which is rare.
I do no know what you mean by LingQing every word. I presume you mean every word you do not know or want to remember. I do not know what you mean by step by step as opposed to adding the translation afterwards.
I am interested in hearing from others. Here is my take.
It normally takes about 4 to 8 seconds for the dictionary definition to appear. This is the slowest part and depends on the access to the Babylon site. It takes me a second or two to select a word from the dictionary and drag it over. Occasionally, especially in Beginner texts in Spanish or Italian, the word will slot in automatically from the Users Hints.
The whole process takes 6-10 seconds.
I do not edit the phrase or enter a tag while reading the text. I do this separately when reviewing my recently created LingQs in the Vocabulary page.
I have worked on Russian so long that my “new words count” is accurate. I find that anything up to 20% new words is comfortable. One year or more ago I was going through texts with 50% new words and I did not resent LingQing as you put it.
We do have a number of ideas of how we can make LingQing easier. It is on our list.
At any rate i would like to hear from others.
I should add that when the % new words is under 20% it is quite possible to continue reading while waiting for the dictionary to open up.
“I do not edit the phrase or enter a tag while reading the text. I do this separately when reviewing my recently created LingQs in the Vocabulary page.”
That’s what I meant by LingQing all the unknown words instead of lingqing, adding the hint, lingqing, adding the hint. I did it the other way. But your method sounds easier.
I know nothing about the technical side of this but is it possible to put the dictionaries in the Ling system itself and not from an outside source like Babylon? This might speed things up.
Also, what does get annoying sometimes is when I am working in Italian, for example, and I have to scroll through 4-5 other dictionaries to get the Italian definition.
Other than that, some system whereby the actual mechanical process of highlight, drag and drop can be made faster would help. Maybe an auto default system, where the first definition in the dictionary is automatically placed in the hint field would help.
It takes me generally about 10 sec as Steve said and in case that i want to add more thinks i do it when i revise the vocabulary. All the texts which i usually study they 've got over 50% unknown words so i m LingQing quite lot. It doesnt bother me at all because before LingQ i had to save my unknown words in excel files which took me ages and that indeed put me off doing it. When i read a text and i feel that a word is important or i have encounter it many times then i pay more special attention to it and i search more about it.
The dictionaries that are used by LingQ are generally ok but if i want to find more about a word and see some example phrases i use another dictionary which is called Rambler.
I m not sure though if i would like to see this dictionary on LingQ because, depending on the word, it might give a big output especially when you click to see the expressions. It would work maybe if the click would open a new window? Another think is that you in case you are searching a verb on the imperfective then the result gives you the perfective form and you have to do the search again with the perfective form. So it slows things down.
I have written a lot on this issue, but basically it varies from about 10 seconds up to half a minute. If would just click and save, click and save and so on, and edit everything in the vocab section later - well… I’d still had to spend all that time.
If every word had automatic hints we could spend time on more important features (listening and reading!).
The thing is that a 30% of the words which i LingQ they do have an automatic hint. I think this happens because these words have been LingQed in the past from other people. So it means that there is an automatic hint fill but it works only as long as somebody has LingQ the word before. I agree that an automatic fill with the first definition of the dictionary would be a good idea.
Perhaps we need a competition, to see who can create the most lingQs in a month? Then we can all learn and maybe copy the winner’s technique
I need to focus on new words or expressions, so I don’t feel it is necessary to increase speed of the actual method.
I prefer to listen to the whole text once and then I listen to it again and pause to make LingQs.
Instead of Steve, I prefer complete the phrase when I create the LingQ.
It takes me between 10 to 30 sec.
Only sometimes, later, I add a tag.
For each text I have about 20-25 words and that means less than 10 minutes.
Not too much indeed, according to me!
I believe that we should reward our top LingQers every month, and list the top LingQers every week. It is that important.
By the same token, we are going to put more effort into making LingQing smoother. There is also a long list of improvements to the functions that we have to get at, separating status 4 words, improving the search by component function, speeding up the example search, making sure the examples only grab phrases within one sentence, allowing Flash Carding by any of hint, phrase or term, allowing a Library search by % new words, and that is just scratching the surface.
That being said, I still find LingQing well worth it, and owe my Russian vocabulary to it. So get LingQing!
I think it is a matter of attitude.
First time I found it annoying but when I see how I improve with creating LingQs and learning LingQs I begin to like it.
It’s true, it need 10 to 30 seconds creating a LingQ depending on the word. But I think it is worth all the time it needs. I read carefully the translation and the phrase that contains the word. This helps me to remember the word.
I like hearing and speaking much more but if I didn’t increase my number of known words I would not improve.
It takes me about 15 seconds.
I created 240 lingQs this morning while watching Basil Brush and MI High (about 40 minutes?) I did it this way:
- Don’t bother creating tags,
- Take automatically offered explanation, which means you needn’t bother clicking on save;
- Don’t bother to change the example phrase.
I will customise the hints and tags and example phrases later today, when I start to review the vocabulary.
By the way I was lingQing the most frequently used 2000 Russian words, because I figure that by the time you get to intermediate 1 (which I’m aiming for this spring) you should know all those words. For beginner 2 I learned the 1000 most common words.
Where did you find which ones are the 2000 most frequently used Russian words?
Did you get them from www.learnrussianfree.com or is there something else?
If only there was an automatically offrered explanation for each LingQ I clicked…
So far, I’ve seen it happen maybe 50 times (over the last three-four weeks, and never before). I’m still saving A LOT of LingQs and have to copy/paste, tag et.c. most of the time (either immediately or later same day).
I got my frequency lists from here…Wiktionary:Frequency lists - Wiktionary
I’ve found the top 10 000 somewhere but I don’t feel strong enough to tackle that many words yet
Wow!!! This is a great place to look for the most common words, and not only English!!! Wiktionary:Frequency lists - Wiktionary
Thanks a lot Helen!!!